Senators Say the Darndest, Scariest Things About the Debt Ceiling

At a hearing with Treasury Secretary Jacob Lew, senators didn’t make anyone feel any better about the govern-by-crisis Congress.

Treasury Secretary Jack Lew testifies before the US Senate Finance Committee about the debt limit on October 10, 2013, on Capitol Hill in Washington, DC. 
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Matt Berman
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Matt Berman
Oct. 10, 2013, 7:15 a.m.

Ques­tions at con­gres­sion­al hear­ings are nev­er, ever just ques­tions. They’re more of­ten four minutes of verbal chaos, cul­min­at­ing in a ran­domly placed ques­tion mark. And when those ques­tions come at a hear­ing about the im­pend­ing debt-ceil­ing breach, they can be really, truly scary.

This is what happened on Thursday morn­ing when the Sen­ate Fin­ance Com­mit­tee spent just about two hours in a back-and-forth with Treas­ury Sec­ret­ary Jac­ob Lew.

Ques­tions ranged from out-of-con­text gems like Max Baucus’s “Com­puter. How do you re­pro­gram com­puters?” to in­creas­ingly stretched ana­lo­gies, care of Chuck Schu­mer: “So would you agree with my ana­logy,” the New York sen­at­or asked the Treas­ury sec­ret­ary, “blind­folded man walk­ing to­wards a cliff and we don’t know ex­actly what date we’ll fall off but if we keep walk­ing we will, is that pretty ac­cur­ate?” 

In nor­mal times, these ques­tions can be writ­ten off as goofy, an “Oh, that’s my Sen­ate,” kind of thing. But with the glob­al eco­nomy on the line, some state­ments from the sen­at­ors un­der­lined a stark mis­un­der­stand­ing about what is ac­tu­ally go­ing on.

“I think we have the blind­fold off,” Sen. Pat Roberts, R-Kan., said, modi­fy­ing the Schu­mer ana­logy. There’s “no ac­tion on en­ti­tle­ment re­form. No ac­tion on tax policy.” This line of think­ing was pre­val­ent among the Re­pub­lic­ans on the pan­el: We don’t want a debt-ceil­ing crisis either, but the big prob­lem is the on­go­ing crisis of our na­tion­al de­fi­cit.

“We’ve got a prob­lem with out­go, not in­come,” Sen. Mi­chael En­zi, R-Wyo. said. Sen. Rob Port­man, R-Ohio, put it a bit more straight­for­wardly: “We need to avoid a debt-lim­it crisis. But we also need to avoid a debt crisis.”

The thing is, right now there isn’t an ur­gent, spiral­ing, out-of-con­trol debt or de­fi­cit crisis. The Wash­ing­ton Post‘s Ezra Klein il­lus­trated this point re­cently. Here’s a chart he put to­geth­er of what our de­fi­cit pic­ture has looked like over the past few years:

Yes, en­ti­tle­ment spend­ing will makes this prob­lem worse over time if it goes un­touched. But the prob­lem is nowhere near as ur­gent as rais­ing the debt ceil­ing by next week. That’s a huge dif­fer­ence since 2009. As Klein put it, “Re­pub­lic­ans de­livered on their 2010 prom­ise to re­duce the de­fi­cit, and now they’re adrift.”

Sen. Pat Toomey, R-Pa., tried to make the case for de­fi­cit ur­gency. Like oth­ers on the pan­el, he said he’d like to see en­ti­tle­ment re­forms at­tached to a debt-ceil­ing in­crease. But the end of his point here got a little (to be­labor a point) scary:

“I hope that we do pass a debt-ceil­ing in­crease, with ap­pro­pri­ate re­forms. Be­cause there’s no ques­tion in my mind, at some point if we don’t raise the debt-ceil­ing, it will be­come dis­rupt­ive.”

Em­phas­is there is ours. This state­ment hit on an­oth­er be­lief in Con­gress that Sec­ret­ary Lew tried des­per­ately, and prob­ably fu­tilely, to dis­pel: The idea that the Treas­ury De­part­ment has the abil­ity to pri­or­it­ize pay­ments in a way that would avoid de­fault. En­zi also tried to play down the talk of im­me­di­ate eco­nom­ic per­il, say­ing his Wyom­ing con­stitu­ents don’t buy the ad­min­is­tra­tion’s “the sky is fall­ing,” “the earth will erupt” at­ti­tude.

Toomey was the most en­thu­si­ast­ic sen­at­or on this point. He re­peatedly asked Lew if he would, through pri­or­it­iz­a­tion, make sure “to plan for con­tin­gen­cies” so that the U.S. doesn’t have a “mis­pay­ment” on a se­cur­ity ob­lig­a­tion. Lew re­spon­ded that the only way to en­sure that would be to raise the ceil­ing, and that “there’s no good solu­tion if Con­gress fails to raise the debt lim­it,” as no oth­er means has ever been tested and could res­ult in mar­ket pan­ic at best.

The Pennsylvania Re­pub­lic­an’s re­sponse:

“Frankly, I’m shocked that the sec­ret­ary of the Treas­ury will not as­sure the fin­an­cial mar­kets, Amer­ic­an in­vestors and savers, and the mil­lions of people who hold treas­ur­ies, that they don’t have to worry about the se­cur­ity of their treas­ur­ies. And I’m ex­tremely dis­ap­poin­ted.”

That’s not a very op­tim­ist­ic at­ti­tude. While House Re­pub­lic­ans are cur­rently ready­ing a plan for a short-term debt-ceil­ing in­crease, and Lew made clear Thursday that the White House would be open to such a plan, an in­sist­ence on ty­ing en­ti­tle­ment re­forms to a long-term debt-ceil­ing in­crease could im­per­il an ac­tu­al solu­tion post-Novem­ber. Out­side of a short-term fix, the White House and Sen­ate Demo­crats, and Re­pub­lic­ans in Con­gress are still very far apart.

“People watch­ing this on TV must be uh, frus­trated, dis­ap­poin­ted with us,” Sen. Thomas Carp­er, D-Del., said. He’s surely got a point.

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