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Debate Watch: Stakes High in Florida for Perry, Romney

Republican presidential candidates (from left to right), Gary Johnson, Rick Santorum, Newt Gingrich, Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, Texas Gov. Rick Perry, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, Michele Bachmann R-Minn., Herman Cain, and Jon Huntsman participate in the Fox News/Google GOP Debate at the Orange County Convention Center.(Mark Wilson/Getty Images)

photo of Beth Reinhard
September 22, 2011

Meet the Debaters

Michele Bachmann

Michele Bachmann

The Minnesota congresswoman stumbled again last week when she suggested that vaccines, such as the one Rick Perry mandated administering in Texas, can cause mental retardation. With her poll numbers slipping, the tea party favorite will need to assert herself tonight to prove she’s still a viable candidate.

Herman Cain

Herman Cain

The former CEO of Godfather's Pizza and former host of a conservative radio talk show is a long shot, but his fiery stage presence has won him points among evangelicals and tea party adherents. Of late, he's touted a plan to levy 9 percent corporate, personal, and sales taxes. 

Newt Gingrich

Newt Gingrich

After a rocky start, including an en masse departure by his senior staffers, the former House speaker is struggling to stay relevant. Look for more attacks on the media, Gingrich’s favorite – and usually only – punching bag during these debates.

John Huntsman

Jon Huntsman

The former Utah governor, who served most recently as President Obama’s ambassador to China, is still struggling to break out of the pack, and a series of strange comments during last week's debate didn't help his cause. Still, a poll released this week shows him finally gaining ground in the key state of New Hampshire.

Gary Johnson

Gary Johnson

The ex-New Mexico governor and libertarian favorite returns to the debate stage after crossing the minimum threshold for support in national polls. His biggest challenge might be fighting his eight opponents for air time, a problem he encountered the last time he debated in May. 

Ron Paul

Ron Paul

The Texas congressman and repeat presidential contender has an ardent base of supporters, and his outspoken libertarianism suddenly seems more mainstream. Even if he remains a long shot, many national polls show him trailing only Romney and Perry. 

Rick Perry

Rick Perry

The Texas governor rode a wave of momentum to the top of the polls, but his honeymoon is definitely over. He's become the top target of his Republican rivals on hot button issues ranging from Social Security to immigration to the vaccine mandate. After two subpar debates, he'll need to improve on Thursday.

Mitt Romney

Mitt Romney

The former Massachusetts governor has become Perry's chief critic during the last two debates, challenging the Texas governor to defend his controversial statements about Social Security. Romney's no longer the front-runner, but he's proven during the last two debates that he's more than Perry's match on stage.  

Rick Santorum

Rick Santorum

The former U.S. senator from Pennsylvania has tried hard to gain traction with voters, emphasizing his foreign-policy, fiscal, and -- above all -- social-conservative credentials. Even if he lags well behind in polls, his fiery personality and 16 years in Congress serves him well in debates.

ORLANDO, Fla. – A three-day Florida presidential confab featuring a debate sponsored by Fox News, rallies with religious and conservative activists, and a straw poll run by the state Republican Party kicks off on Thursday night – with high stakes for the two front-runners.

In the run-up to the debate, Texas Gov. Rick Perry and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney have already been trading pointed barbs, with Romney casting Perry as an extremist on Social Security, and Perry questioning Romney’s fidelity to the Republican Party,

The backbiting on the eve of the Florida Republican Party’s convention, dubbed Presidency 5, reflected the increasingly heated battle between the two leading contenders for the GOP nomination.

 

A good run by Perry in this critical battleground state could help grease his path to the nomination. He is favored to win South Carolina, the state expected to vote right before Florida. Back-to-back victories could knock Romney out of the race. And with several of the Republican candidates keeping their distance from the straw poll here, Florida’s most dedicated Republican activists are up for grabs.

Hours before the debate, the GOP presidential hopefuls addressed the convention delegates at a forum organized by the Faith and Freedom Coalition, a group that promotes socially conservative values. "We're not going to rest until a U-Haul pulls up in front of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue,'' said the group's founder, Ralph Reed. "What we do in Florida is going to determine the direction of the country.''

The only candidate who did not tailor his remarks to the rally's theme was Romney. "Is there anyone in the room who thinks President Obama has a clue about how to turn the economy around?'' asked the former corporate executive and governor of Massachusetts. The other businessman in the race, Herman Cain, got the most enthusiastic reception from the audience with a speech that swept from tax policy to American exceptionalism. Perry worked in a sidelong swipe at Romney, recalling his childhood in the small, tight-knit Texas town of Paint Brush. "I can tell you I wasn't born with four aces in my hand," he said. In was a reference to a line Romney used in a debate 10 days ago when he argued Perry shouldn't be taking credit for the economic success of a state that has a history of low taxes, minimal regulation, weak unions and  oil and gas resources. "I think Governor Perry would agree with me that if you're dealt four aces, that doesn't make you necessarily a good poker player," Romney said.

Florida’s last three straw polls have all correctly predicted the winner of the GOP nomination – Bob Dole in 1995, George H.W. Bush in 1987 and Ronald Reagan in 1979. 

“I believe whoever wins this straw poll on Saturday will be the Republican nominee, and I believe the Republican nominee will be the next president,” Florida Gov. Rick Scott told Fox News in a recent interview.

A new Quinnipiac poll, released Thursday, shows Perry narrowly leading Romney in Florida, 28 to 22 percent, reversing a ten-point Romney advantage from early August, before Perry formally declared his candidacy. When Republicans were asked to choose just between the two frontrunners, Perry increases his lead to eight points, 46 percent to 38 percent.

The poll also shows that while Perry's comments about Social Security -- comparing it to a "Ponzi scheme" -- aren't a major liability in a primary. A narrow 52 percent majority of Republicans think it is fair to describe it as such, even as the vast majority (58 percent) of voters overall don't agree.

Romney enlisted some of his most prominent supporters in this retiree-friendly state on Wednesday to savage Perry’s commitment to preserving Social Security as a federal program. A Perry spokesman fired back with a salvo accusing Romney of “sounding like a Democrat.’’ Perry and Romney also traded shots over their job-creation records.

The pressure weighs particularly on Perry, who has been forced in the last two debates to defend his description of Social Security as a “Ponzi scheme’’ and his support for vaccinating schoolgirls against a sexually transmitted disease that causes cancer.

Perry has also raised expectations for a victory in the straw poll by announcing a fistful of new hires and endorsements, sponsoring a reception for the estimated 3,500 delegates on Saturday, and sending out campaign mailers. Anything less than victory in Saturday’s mock election run by the state party will be viewed as a setback for the national frontrunner in the polls.

In contrast, Romney is coming off of two widely praised debate performances. He declared months ago that he was not going to contest the mock election run by the state party.

Scott explained why some candidates are playing coy. “It's an expectations game,’’ he told Fox News. “They want to say if they don't win they didn't really try.’’

Newt Gingrich’s schedule notes that he is addressing participants of the straw poll this week, but adds: “Newt 2012 is not actively campaigning to win the straw poll.’’ And Jon Huntsman, whose campaign headquarters are less than 12 miles from the convention center where the straw poll will take place, is making a show of flying to New Hampshire on Saturday.

Romney isn’t sticking around either. He’s headed to Michigan for the Mackinac Republican Leadership Conference. But while some of the other lesser-known candidates can justify a loss, a poor showing by Romney in Florida, where he came in second in the 2008 primary, could prove embarrassing.

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