There are two kinds of lobbying. And this, I think, is grossly unfair but kind of true. There's the kind of lobbying where you pay an ex-senator to get the current senator to write a sentence into a bill, and there's no confusion as to what this is about. You are representing your corporate interest. It's specific to your company. In Washington, for example, you can pay an ex-person $50,000 to arrange a meeting to get that process, to get those five sentences written in this bill, and so forth and so on.The punch line is, we concluded that we didn't want to do that as industry, and certainly not at Sun. We wanted to lobby based on ideas. And as far as I know, every company that I've worked with--and I was part of the Business Software Alliance and all these other groups--we all sort of agree with this. There's a line that we're not willing to cross. So what we do from a leadership perspective, at least in terms of political leadership, is we talk about ideas. ...The staffers--and the staffers are young--the staffers get it. They're 25, 30 years old and they all get it. So that's what we depend on. And of course we've hired ex-staffers as well. They all know each other. So that's how it really works. And I believe what we're doing is extremely defensible if it's around ideas. I would have a lot of trouble if we in our industry started following the other kind of lobbying.
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